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November 11th, 2020 × #Live Show#Q&A#Community

300th LIVE SHOW SPECTACULAR!

300th episode spectacular live show with audience participation

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Topic 0 00:00

Transcript

Announcer

You're listening to Syntax, the podcast with the tastiest web development treats out there. Strap yourself in and get ready. Here is Scott Tolinski and Wes Bos.

Wes Bos

Welcome to Syntax. This is episode number 3 hundred. Can you believe it, Scott?

Scott Tolinski

I can't.

Scott Tolinski

No. It's actually kind of ridiculous that it's been 300 episodes.

Scott Tolinski

I had no idea that it's been that many.

Wes Bos

Yeah. It it creeps up on you. That's a lot. So, today, we've got a, like, a banger episode for you. We're doing a live show, so shout out to everybody who is currently on one of the 100 platforms that we are streaming to right Node. And we will also, obviously, publish this out through the regular podcast feed. Let's talk about sponsors real quick, and then we'll we'll get into the the nitty gritty of of you coming on the show and asking us questions and and whatnot.

Wes Bos

So today, we're sponsored by 2 awesome companies. 1st 1 is Sentry, and the second 1 is Netlify. We'll talk about both of them partway through the episode.

Scott Tolinski

Sick. How you doing today, Scott? Woah.

Scott Tolinski

I'm doing good. I, I did a little, like, you know, that little intro that you saw. We were laughing before the show started because I was doing a little pre streaming to make sure things were working okay and getting the video going. And, Courtney showed up in the chat to absolutely roast me for drinking all the cold brew.

Scott Tolinski

So

Wes Bos

so I drank all the cold brew and I put some hot water on for the tea to be ready. And, it's just waiting waiting for the the cooking. Oh, Henry, you held it up in the chat. What's up, Henry? So we're gonna do a listener call in show. This is the first time we've ever done it. We spent most of our week trying to figure out how to technically do this. There Wes lots of different products out there. Like, even, like, everyone was saying, use Zoom because it has, breakout rooms. But if we're in the breakout room, we couldn't see who was in the other room. So, finally, we settled on Scott's Discord, which I I I think the setup is working pretty well. Yeah. It's really interesting what we're doing here, actually. I think that might might qualify for, like, a hasty because I'm using, like, several audio routing softwares.

Scott Tolinski

We have a Discord room Wes we're gonna be manually changing roles. And then I'm technically, I'm streaming my desktop because it's a smoother stream than piping Discord or Zoom directly into OBS. It was like way choppy for some reason.

Scott Tolinski

I don't know the details there. So we're just streaming my screen here and it's working pretty well. And we're streaming on simulcasting on 4 different platforms, 2 YouTube channels, a Twitch channel, and Syntax dot f m. And I should say, before we get too crazy, that this is being streamed on a platform called Mux.

Scott Tolinski

And so I wanna Scott out Mux real quick. This is mux@mux .com. This is not an advertisement, but this is where I host my videos personally.

Topic 1 02:43

Mux stream hosting allows easy live streaming

Scott Tolinski

They had a really neat streaming system that warp just basically piping in and then using HLS and a React player called React HLS player. And we're just pasting in basically the URL to the was it the m m three u eight whatever file? And yeah. Whatever that file extension JS, we're passing that ESLint the React video player as if it was just a video.

Scott Tolinski

And voila, it just works. Pretty amazing. Big, big fan of this. So I I'm psyched to see that we could do live streaming so easily on our own platforms without relying on Twitch or whatever. You know? Pretty sweet.

Wes Bos

So today, we've got you're gonna call in. So join in the discord if you are Scott. The links in all of the descriptions wherever you're watching. And the way it's gonna work is we will bring you in either video and audio or just audio if you only prefer to do that. And you can do 1 of 4 things, or you can you can do them all if you really want. We might cut you off if it's too long, though. You can ask us a potluck question. You can do a sick pick of your own. You can take a stumped question. So have Scott and I give you a interview question related to CSS or or or JavaScript or Node or something like that, or you can do a shameless plug. So if you've got a project you're working on, you got a YouTube channel or a book or whatever you wanna plug we're talking to Scott. This is your show. You you guys get to to supply all the content for this show. Very true. And it's gonna be a lot of fun, so

Scott Tolinski

I don't know. I'm I'm very excited. Do we wanna bring somebody on right now, or do we wanna talk about stuff? Do we wanna?

Wes Bos

No. Let's do it. Let's bring somebody on. Let's bring Brad on. He he was like, 3 hours, he was already in the chat, and he had all his links ready. So he's he's raring to go. Yeah. Brad did have his links ready. He posted all

Scott Tolinski

all of his links, in in the thing. So, let's bring Brad Garape. I remember because he told us how to pronounce it once. He said, like, therapy. It's Garepi.

Scott Tolinski

So, let's bring Brad on. Brad, I'm gonna hook you up with a roll right now. Okay. So this is the first one we're gonna see. There he is. Okay. Brad's popping in.

Scott Tolinski

Hey.

Scott Tolinski

Brad with the setup.

Scott Tolinski

Y'all? Thanks for having me on. I get to break the ice, so that's that's nice. Yeah. Yeah. No. You should have experience with this stuff. Brad has, his own YouTube channel, his own content and stuff. So

Guest 3

you seem like you've got this down to some degree. Yeah. I'm brave enough to do 3 out of the 4. I'm gonna save face and skip on the stump question.

Scott Tolinski

Yes. If anybody would like so if anybody would like to do a stump question, we we will be Yeah. We need someone who who's gonna do a stump question next.

Wes Bos

Yeah. We should even do Node. Scott that hard. Don't worry. The domain game. That should have been Node too. Oh, yeah. The domain game. Well, we can do it we can do it live again. Yeah. Because we're doing it live at, Reactathon in December. Maybe we should do domain game there. Alright. So what's your what do you wanna start with? A sick pick Wes? Let's start with a question.

Guest 3

Something interesting came up, on my team at Adobe. We were kind of rushed to get out an alpha of a product, and this product included a GraphQL API, and we didn't have time to document it.

Guest 3

And I said, well, hey, they have this awesome thing called GraphQL playground that we can embed into the website that that's better than documentation.

Topic 2 06:06

GraphQL playground embeds API docs but has security concerns

Guest 3

Yeah. But my back end team actually brought up some security concerns. They're like, we don't we don't think that's safe due to the ability to introspect the GraphQL API.

Guest 3

So my question to y'all is, are you aware of any security concerns around, GraphQL introspection?

Wes Bos

Let's explain real quick what introspection is is that, when you enable this thing, it will give you a picture of what the entire API surface looks like. Every single query, every single input, every single type that is possibly in. And if somebody were to see this, like a developer, they can quite very easily see the entire surface area of the API. Mhmm. So that's what it is.

Scott Tolinski

Go ahead, Scott. Yeah. So I do wanna say, I I think first and foremost that if if you're using Apollo, which I don't know if you are, Apollo by default has introspection turned off in production.

Scott Tolinski

So that's Wes key is that I personally turn off introspection in production.

Scott Tolinski

Same with playground. I have playground and introspection turned off only just because I don't want people snooping around. But in the same regard, I've always heard this being said JS like you shouldn't rely on security through obscurity.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. And that like somebody should be able to see your ends. And if your ends aren't secured, then that's like a a bigger problem. I don't know. I turn off introspection myself, again, personally, because I just don't I don't need it. I don't want it, in production.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. I I don't know. There are concerns there. But again, I guess ESLint it's a matter of of how well the the I Wes, they're not necessarily endpoints, but how well the the mutations are are secured themselves.

Wes Bos

Yeah. Like, someone could could figure it out if it was, like, if you you put these GraphQL endpoints into production, if it's on an Bos app or if it's on a client side application, someone can figure out what all of them are. It's just like trying to piece together a Vercel engineer API is much harder than actually just having all the documentation for the entire API. Yeah. So I turned it off as well just because Apollo recommends that, but I as long as it's secured properly

Scott Tolinski

Iran in the chat says that they expose Playground via the only behind a VPN.

Guest 3

That makes sense. I like that. That's essentially what we wound up doing was we routed it through this service that required authentication that would then allow Wes to pass back through to the API.

Scott Tolinski

Interesting.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. Fascinating. Yeah. This is, these are not necessarily problems I I I run into concerning, I don't work at a company like Adobe. You know, that's like For sure. That's a big a way different fish than, what I'm dealing with. What about your sick pick? For sure. Thanks. Yeah. Okay. So my sick pick and my shameless plug kinda go together.

Topic 3 09:03

Weighted vest for intense workouts

Guest 3

I'm I'm a fan of working out. I'm a fan of fitness. And a while back, a buddy of mine, challenged me to do a bunch of Murph workouts. The these are this CrossFit workout where you do, like, hundreds of push ups and pull ups and squats and stuff, and you're supposed to wear this weighted vest.

Guest 3

And so I finally purchased that weighted vest, and, it's awesome. So this is the the 5 11 Tac Tech Plate Carrier. You can get it from rogue fitness.com.

Guest 3

And I got a 10 pound plate in the front, 10 pound plate in the back.

Scott Tolinski

That thing is built like a tank. I love it. Fits like a glove. Cool. I would love a weighted vest. There are so many times that I put on ankle weights, and I'm like, I wish you were a weighted vest.

Scott Tolinski

So

Guest 3

I'm gonna have to take a look at that. Very cool. Super comfortable too. I you can do all your pull ups and stuff in them and not feel like you're rubbing, you know, on your chest or anything like that.

Scott Tolinski

I hate when the the weight belt around your Wes, and that's like pulling on your hips in a weird way when you're trying to do weighted pull ups. So sick. I will take a look at this. And, Brad, do you have anything to shamelessly plug?

Guest 3

I do.

Guest 3

I actually built, an application called Murphy that that is specifically designed to time and track your CrossFit Murph workouts.

Topic 4 10:17

Murphy app tracks complex CrossFit workouts

Guest 3

It's really complex. It's like broken up into into 20 rounds of 5 pull ups, 10 push ups, 15 squats. And it's really hard when you're, like, sweating and and stuff to to remember what count you're on. So I built this app. It's a it's a PWA made with Svelte, and, I released it to the Google Play Store. So if you search Murphy, m u r p h y, on the Google Play Store, you can pick it up. What's it? Say that once more. Murphy what? M u r p h y. Oh, oh, oh, okay. You were just spelling Murphy. I thought there was

Scott Tolinski

cool. I will check this out. So PWA on the App Store, how was that process? It was confusing

Guest 3

doing, like, the signing process because, like, pwabuilderdot com wants to sign it for you. Google App Store wants to sign it for you, and I got all the keys crossed the 1st time around. So I had to delete the whole thing and start over. But once you once you get past that hump, it's like really, really simple. And if anybody wants a the app Scott money on the App Store, but it's a PWA, so it lives online. Cool. So you can go to murphy.bradgarapy.com,

Scott Tolinski

and you can use it for free. Cool. That sounds awesome. A little sick, Brad. We'll, we'll get a a link to that in the show notes and everything. And, thanks for stopping by. And, man, happy to have you here on the 3 I'm I'm glad that you were the 1st guest, Brad, because Brad's been a long time chat member, and he's been around. So, happy to have you, Brad.

Scott Tolinski

Thanks, y'all. Appreciate it. Thanks, man. See you. How okay. Sick. Okay. So he just left on his own accord, which is great.

Wes Bos

You should bring Britney in next.

Scott Tolinski

Yes. I am giving Britney the role of live.

Scott Tolinski

Britney.

Guest 4

Yes.

Guest 4

Let me Hey. Welcome to video. Hi.

Wes Bos

Hey. That's Hey. Oh, video. That's always the last, like, whenever video. Like, a client. You have a 8:30 meeting. You're like, oh, video. We put his pants on.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. It was funny.

Scott Tolinski

This morning, I think it was, like, at, like, 10 o'clock or something, Courtney was like, I have a video meeting in 5 minutes. I can't be on video. I was like, oh, you don't have to be on video. Just do it audio. Just call it. Yeah. That's very funny. Yes. I love Discord.

Scott Tolinski

Yes. Discord.

Guest 6

Yeah. I'm a huge fan of both of you. I think both of you know that. I've spoken to both of you through Instagram and Twitter a little bit because mainly because of where I live, I think. Because You're on Michigan? Yeah. I'm on Michigan.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah.

Scott Tolinski

The tulips. Right?

Wes Bos

My sister lived in Holland, Michigan for the longest time, and Scott lived in Node far from Holland, Michigan for most of his life. Little Yarn. The other side of the state.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. The other side, 2 hours. That's okay. No. It's not that far.

Guest 6

So I'm gonna have to hold the con the button to talk. Oh, stop. You no. You don't know. She doesn't have to hold the button to talk. Oh, I have it set in my session. Sorry.

Scott Tolinski

Node. Okay. Yeah. That is very smart of you. That's how people in Michigan tell how where they live. They just show in their hand, which is great. I wish Ontario had some of that, like It's very true. Node of my best friends Scott a little dot tattooed where Ann Arbor is on his hand.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, that's awesome. Node he could just be like, that was warm.

Scott Tolinski

Although he moved back to, to Michigan. So it's like, now he's just like, yeah, I live I live in the same place.

Guest 6

I've actually wore the Michigan colors today for you, Scott. Yeah. Just to share that out there.

Wes Bos

I thought that was cobalt 2 colors.

Scott Tolinski

Oh. Oh, dang. Yeah. It is actually kinda convenient. Is the same as that. Yeah. That your colors are the same as my, alma mater, so thank you, Wes, for that.

Wes Bos

I did it on purpose. Alright. What do you got for us today? What would you like to do?

Guest 6

I would love to shamelessly plug the ZTM Academy. Oh. What's that? Started so I started learning to code from Andre Nagoy a couple years ago on his Udemy courses, and this year they launched the ZTM academy.

Guest 6

I just led a responsive web design workshop a couple days ago, and that will be up on the website next week. And I have to say though that I would not be where I am without the 2 of you because I learned CSS grid from Wes' course, and it made me fall in love with responsive layouts. And then, Scott, your CSS design systems course was incredible for you.

Topic 5 14:22

Teaching web development workshops for ZTM Academy

Guest 6

Much. Wow. Learning how to use CSS variables. So, I mean, both of you have been just extremely helpful to me. So I love both of you. It's great. But the ZTM Academy is great, and so I shamelessly plug that. Zinc. In in Canada, it's the ZedTM

Wes Bos

Academy. Zed TM Academy. Translate for anybody. Node. Canada Node in Canada actually says Zed. I I've all of my friends say z. Even, like, my kids learn the alphabet in the class the other day, and I was like, say it to me. And I listened, and they say they say z.

Guest 6

I know a couple people from Canada, and they have said zed before, and I'm like Really?

Wes Bos

Yeah. Well, I say I say zed s h.

Wes Bos

So maybe I just interchangeably use it. Yeah.

Guest 6

Zed s h. Is you say z s h, z shell? I'm sure there's a lot of shell. Yeah. From the south originally, and I'm sure there's a lot of things I say that I'm like, why did I just say that? Like, y'all, I stopped saying y'all for a long time because I didn't wanna be.

Wes Bos

Oh, man. Awesome. Any any other ones you wanna do or just wanted to plug the ZTM academy?

Guest 6

Yeah. I just wanted to get on, say how much of a fan I am. Your your guys' dynamic from the beginning has been just amazing. So I wanted to say how much of a fan I am and plug that and because I've got my workshop coming on there, so super excited. Nice.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. And and, Britney, I I mean, we because, Britney's been around the the level of, Discord for a long time, and she's always sharing her posts and all that stuff on on dev 2 and everywhere. So I've been appreciating seeing all your stuff just over over the course of time. So shout out to Britney. Thank you. Thank you so much. I really appreciate this, guys. This is awesome. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for coming on it. Thanks for, helping us celebrate 300.

Guest 6

Yes. See you.

Wes Bos

This is really convenient that everybody has, like, high quality mic

Scott Tolinski

microphone equipment too. Oh, yeah. I do have a setup behind.

Wes Bos

Thank you, guys. Cool. Thanks again.

Wes Bos

Alright. Next, we've got Node Vercel.

Guest 7

Hello?

Scott Tolinski

Hey. I can hear you. Can you can you hear us? Mister Stacker. You guys. I can hear you guys.

Wes Bos

Hey.

Guest 8

Thanks for coming on. What do you have a name or just Node Stacker? Yeah. No. No. No. My name is Jesse. I've, talked to Scott before, but I've never, met US. So it's great great to see you guys. I appreciate it.

Wes Bos

Oh, no problem. Thanks for thanks for coming on.

Wes Bos

So, like, where Wes are you from there,

Guest 8

Yeah. So I'm in I'm in Texas. Yeah.

Scott Tolinski

Hey. Wow. 2 from Texas.

Scott Tolinski

Mhmm. Yep. 2 from Texas, and Britney JS from the Scott. So, we yeah. We gotta get get some Northerners on the

Wes Bos

show. Can we get a Canadian on next?

Guest 8

Yeah. Yeah. So I I know. I really appreciate it. You guys are you guys are great. I'm, you know, fairly new to this industry of of teaching online, tutorials and stuff like that. So, you know, I have a YouTube channel, but, you guys have been a great inspiration for me. Oh, thanks a lot. I appreciate that. You'll have to you'll have to you'll have to plug your plug your channel. Would you like to do a stump question or a, good.

Topic 6 17:53

React portal explanation

Guest 8

Oh, okay. I will do I will do a stump question. Yeah. I can shamelessly plug my stuff. Yes.

Scott Tolinski

That is a good trade. I was just about to get it, and then I typed in stumped into the Google search bar to let you know exactly how, on my brain is today. But what was the what was the the site? I I can't find the site. 30

Wes Bos

second interview questions? Yeah. 30 seconds of interviews .org. I put I popped it in the Notion. There's a lot of things that we have to open right now. I've got 3 monitors, and they are all full.

Scott Tolinski

So that is yeah. Yeah. I have the Discord. I got the OBS

Wes Bos

and the YouTubes and, yeah, all that stuff. Sorry. You can find it, Wes, because I can't find the link right now. Alright. I'll grab 1. I'm just looking through them right now. Don't make it too hard. That's a silly question. There was 1 on, like, what are the advantages of the Node. Js callback pattern? And I was like, none. It that sucks. It's now that we have async await.

Wes Bos

Are you a React dev? Yeah. Yeah. React, JavaScript, CSS, any kind of running stuff. Okay. We've got a React question here that's marked as hard.

Wes Bos

Oh, boy. What are portals in React?

Guest 8

Oh, that's easy one. Yeah. That's marked as hard.

Wes Bos

No. No. The portals are a very a very niche used part of React.

Guest 8

I mean, I don't think so. It's just a pop up. Right? So what do they do? Well, it it's it's almost like a Node. Right? So it's just, puts a container up on top of another container, and you can actually access, the root of of React from it. So it doesn't it can it's basically on its own, but it can be pulled into another container.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. It's it's your React application outside of your root element. Right? Right. Yep. Right. Yeah. Mhmm. Allows you to insert into the DOM,

Wes Bos

into an element, basically. Yeah. Alright. Yeah. Okay. I think that was that was good. Good. Alright. We'll let we'll let you plug your thing. Alright. Alright.

Guest 8

Yeah.

Topic 7 19:45

VS Code course at vscodehero.com

Guest 8

Appreciate it. Yeah. No. So my YouTube channel is, obviously, Node Stacker with an r, and then just released a new course, vscodehero.com.

Guest 8

Scott, Wes, check that out. That would be great.

Guest 8

The escrowhero.com.

Guest 8

Yeah. And, just for syntax, if you put in the coupon code syntax, you'll get a discount. Oh, wow. Look at you came prepared.

Scott Tolinski

Man, that's good.

Scott Tolinski

Props.

Scott Tolinski

Sweet.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. This looks nice. I like the, The shadows.

Guest 8

Yeah. Thanks.

Guest 8

Cool. It's all done with, Gatsby and Tailwind.

Scott Tolinski

Oh. Oh, alright. Alright.

Wes Bos

Even the Sanity animations too?

Guest 8

Animations are AOS, Sanity on scroll.

Scott Tolinski

Cool. Super simple. I don't know if you're allowed to say the word tailwinds on this podcast anymore because, their people always tweet tweet at us. Whenever we say the word tailwind,

Wes Bos

we're gonna get in trouble. Yeah. No. Just joking around. But yeah. Weeps the hell.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. Just just joking.

Wes Bos

Awesome.

Wes Bos

Cool. Well, would you like to do any other, or are you, you done? No. That's good. I appreciate it. Yeah. Great show.

Guest 8

Wes some other guys get in here. Sweet. Thanks thanks for coming on. Yeah. Seriously. Thank you. Alright. Thanks.

Wes Bos

Who we want next? Spence is 10.

Wes Bos

He just he tweeted that he's having a beer, watching this. So let's have him on.

Scott Tolinski

Beer. What JS it's not beer o'clock here.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. Sorry for everybody get some downtime.

Scott Tolinski

Usually Wes we record,

Wes Bos

there isn't a ton of downtime, but we do get some some Adam cut this out. Yeah. Adam cut this out. Sometimes a kid will come running in or the last podcast, I had my kid on my lap the entire podcast. You can hear him a little bit, which I thought was funny. Yeah. In fact,

Scott Tolinski

it is very frequent that we have children either running around or or fiddling with our knobs or, or just ruining the the, the audio in general for me in my office. They just love twiddling the the the knobs on my compressor and then just we've been getting, Adam has been sending us messages about the quality of our audio. So hopefully it hasn't been too bad. Alright. Spence.

Wes Bos

Is he joining? Oh, and Henry Helvetta has Scott to hop on to that meeting. Bring Henry in if if Spence is not joining in.

Wes Bos

We'll do Spence first. Okay. We could do double.

Scott Tolinski

Could we?

Wes Bos

We should at at the very end, we should just let as many people in as we can.

Scott Tolinski

We might actually get both of them at the same time. At the same time.

Scott Tolinski

For those of you wondering, I do not know how to do, pop popping. I do not know how to do that style of dance, just in case you're wondering.

Wes Bos

Oh, pop and lock?

Scott Tolinski

Deno. You can't say pop and lock, Wes. That's different dances because they're very different dances.

Scott Tolinski

Popping is the popping is the that kind of stuff. Well, this is waving. But popping, this is popping. And then locking is is like is is like very clown like.

Scott Tolinski

It's Yarn to explain, but, there's finger points, wrist rolls.

Scott Tolinski

There's this is the lock. This is a lock, and this is a pop. They're very different.

Wes Bos

Alright. Oh, here's Henry.

Scott Tolinski

Henry.

Scott Tolinski

Yo. Can you guys hear me? Yeah. I can hear you. Can you hear us? Welcome.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, somebody didn't give Spence the role. Sorry. That's why Can you guys hear me? Can you guys hear me? Yeah.

Scott Tolinski

Can you hear us? I don't know if you can hear us.

Guest 5

Yeah. But I don't know which mic.

Scott Tolinski

Sanity Live.

Wes Bos

You gotta you gotta turn off your live stream, folks, when you call in to us.

Wes Bos

Okay. I think I'm Oh. Wes got him. Hey.

Guest 5

How's it going? Okay. Cool. Cool. I was, like, completely confused. I was like, what is going on right now? I have too many screens, and I didn't know which one was live, which one was lagging. I don't know. Anyways, how are you guys doing? Good. Good. How about you doing? I'm alright, man. Just, I had a pretty interesting morning. I just did a little q and a with this, new web dev class in London, London, England. And, you know, I was just answering questions and stuff like that, so it was it was pretty interesting.

Guest 5

But, man, I'm you know, honestly, I'm I'm glad to to be with you guys because, as you know, I probably caught some of your early episodes. Like, I think under, like, the 1st 20 or so, then I kinda fell off after that, so I have to apologize.

Topic 8 24:11

Answered student questions about web development

Scott Tolinski

No.

Guest 5

I apologize for nothing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So but, but, yeah, you know, we like, I saw the the announcement about the the live show, and I was like, dude, I'm still here. Let me just log in and see what's going on. And, here I am, man. And I think I'm your 1st Canadian. Yeah. Yep. 1st Canadian. You're official. You're from Toronto, which, we we used to hang out in person when I was

Wes Bos

back living in Toronto. And I think, actually, the first time I met you was in New Orleans?

Guest 5

Yeah, dude. It was like that,

Wes Bos

what was it? Some conference or something like that. Yeah. Exactly. It's just the the pencils are behind me. That that was so weird because,

Guest 5

I used to work at this design firm at some days I had to eat up, and I was like, dude, I don't know what to do. And then I ended up just flying to NOLA to volunteer.

Guest 5

So it's, it was a lot.

Scott Tolinski

Just just just head on over to NOLA just to chill, you know, and volunteer. That sounds that sounds like quite the, That was fun. That was a good really good conference.

Guest 5

Yeah. It was fun, man. It was fun. I met a bunch of folks and yourself, obviously, and then, you know, there Yarn a few Canadians there too, actually. I'll probably post a photo because I have this 1 photo of bunch of us just hanging out. So it was it was, pretty interesting.

Wes Bos

Yeah. Well, tell us about your you're into performance. You run JAMSAC Toronto.

Wes Bos

What do what do you wanna talk to us about today?

Guest 5

So I really was gonna plug a set of videos I'm about to drop, next week about a particular sort of, like, event I put together. But, roughly, yeah, I'm from Toronto. I'm freelance dev. I run a couple meetups, the Toronto Wes Performance Meetup and the Jamstack Toronto meetup as JS you mentioned. I'm actually going to drop a link about, that, in the, in the chat. So, basically, 2 things I wanted to plug real quick. Next month, yeah, I'm doing a I always mispronounce it. Sorry. I'm French.

Guest 5

Eleventi.

Guest 5

I'm saying that wrong. Eleventy.

Guest 5

Eleventy. That's it. Sorry. A l l

Wes Bos

what's the acronym for

Guest 5

it? Eleventy.

Guest 5

Node one t y.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. Something like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I hear so much about this, but I've never used it. Yeah. It's, it's really getting a lot of, momentum around the, SSRs.

Guest 5

Oh, CSS. Sorry. SSR. I'm so confused now. But what I wanted to say is, just for fun, I'm doing a meetup on November 11th, so 11:11.

Topic 9 26:49

Hosting 11 minute talks on Eleventy for 11/11

Guest 5

11 minute lightning talks on Eleventy.

Guest 5

So Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. It's something something a little different. I'll leave a little link in the Slack, Slack and the Discord about it. But what I really wanted to talk about was, I'm releasing a a set of videos from a a little sort of mini conference I put together last week oh, Node, last month, basically, on, images and image formats. You know, as you mentioned, I'm I'm a bit of a performance fan, and the image conversations ones that I've always had in mind.

Guest 5

And especially this week with, I Wes, next, announcing that image component and all this sort of, like, tooling around, performance and specifically performance monitoring, images have become a little important. So I have some videos coming next week about this conference I I put together.

Guest 5

So people talking about AVIF, which I'm sure you may have heard about, which is sort of like the new kid on the block in terms of image formats, supported right now in stable Chrome and behind a flag in Firefox, I believe. Does that replace WebP then? Like, that's another new image format. Right? So interestingly enough, WebP is actually 10 years old, but it's only really gained a bunch of momentum in the last 2 or 3 years. And Wes has been, very important this year specifically because, finally, in Safari 14, so Big Sur and Bos 14 JS, you'll get WebP support, but this is basically on its 10th year, but what some consider now an old format at 10 years old because Avid has come around with with better, bit with better specs.

Guest 5

But in some of these videos that I'm releasing, we're talking about WebP 2 ESLint o being worked on as we speak. One of the videos I talk about metrics like LCP and images and what people may not realize that images or at least your largest image on your page will, affect your score, your Lighthouse score, drastically because it'll take up about 25% of the score. So if you mess that up, you mess up your your LH score as well. Pretty interesting set of videos. You know, I talk about WebP 2. We talk about AVIF. We talk about WebP, AVIF, and Squoosh. We talk about that as well because they have AVIF support. And we talk about this format called JPEG Vercel, which is sort of getting a little bit yeah. It's getting a little bit of traction right now, so it's pretty cool. So yeah. I mean, I just wanted to mention that I'll probably be dropping that next week. So, where where can we get that? I'll probably do it on Twitter. So my Twitter handle, which is basically my handle on Discord right now, so Henri Helvetica.

Guest 5

And, yeah, I mean, it's just, some pretty neat information I just want to discuss.

Wes Bos

I'm really glad that I found out you warp French, and we call can call you Henri now. You absolutely can. I was always saying, yes? Sweet.

Guest 5

It's it's actually preferred, but, you know, I guess, people have I have problems with that r.

Wes Bos

Not me. I took grade 10 French.

Scott Tolinski

Hey. I didn't take French, but my, my grandmother has a French maiden last name, so I'm basically French

Guest 11

there.

Guest 11

Alright. That's awesome.

Guest 5

Cool. Well, thanks so much for coming on. Appreciate it. Hey, Ben. Thank you. Thanks, for sitting through these issues I was having so I didn't know what was going on for a second. No. It Wes all good.

Scott Tolinski

Alright.

Wes Bos

Alright. See you.

Scott Tolinski

Thanks for stopping by, Henry.

Scott Tolinski

Alright. Spence is up next.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, Henry, you're still here. You might have to leave. There we go.

Wes Bos

Spence Diamonds. That should be his, like, developer name. It's like a big jewelry store here in Canada, Spence Diamonds. Spence Diamonds? I don't know

Scott Tolinski

if it is. Here's Spence Diamonds. That's actually a really sick nickname, though. Yeah.

Wes Bos

That sounds like a like a Myspace crunk core, like, band Node, like, Spence Diamonds and the the Wild Cats.

Scott Tolinski

I wild cats? JS it wild cats or wild cats? Wild cats. Because I feel like those are different things. Oh, there he is. Dett.

Scott Tolinski

Test. Test. Test. Test. Check your audio input. Check your audio input.

Scott Tolinski

Sven's gone. He'll be coming back. Hey. He's back.

Guest 10

Hello? Hey. You can hear me. Cool.

Guest 10

I've got the

Wes Bos

Node.

Wes Bos

Alright. Bring somebody else in. Alright. Bring

Scott Tolinski

Jason. I'll bring Jason in because Jason's gonna Jason's a, a Discord pro.

Scott Tolinski

Alright. Jason. Hello?

Guest 8

Hello. How's it going? It's going well. How are y'all?

Scott Tolinski

Good. How are you doing? Good. Good. Let me let me get my camera going here. Yeah. You got a fancy setup too.

Wes Bos

Woah. Spooky. Oh. Pres nerd.

Guest 12

We're definitely doing the, you Node, we we aren't doing anything fun for Halloween, so we figured we'd dress up for all our Friday Zoom calls.

Scott Tolinski

Sick.

Scott Tolinski

That's amazing.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, that's great. So how how is that being affixed to your head? Is that is that a band? It's Yeah. It's like a it's a little like a headband.

Guest 12

Oh, yeah. Alright. Alright. Alright. But these are these. I actually have, my ears pierced from back in my rock star days. And so these Oh, yeah.

Guest 12

These are just real earrings.

Scott Tolinski

I, I I had a a tongue piercing for, like, 8 Yarn, so I wonder if I could still shove something through my tongue and have, like, a spooky spooky Halloween tongue.

Guest 12

I I had a tongue piercing, and and as a result, I have a lot of very expensive dental work. Yes, me too. I know. Node,

Scott Tolinski

my Wes, my aunt, my aunt in law was like, JS that she was a nurse and she was like, you need to take that thing out because you are going to really regret it later on in life when your dental bills are really high. And I was just like, whatever. And then, like, sure enough, I'm like, wish I wouldn't have had that thing in for some For real.

Scott Tolinski

It sucks at the dentist. I will tell you that. Yeah. It's a little ball. Every time you go in for a cleaning, you just get judgment. Like, they're like, you had your tongue pierced, didn't you? Yeah. But you feel dumb now. Yeah. But you feel dumb now. Wes you don't know basically, there's like a ball on the underneath side of it, and it rubs against the gums on the down here and then your teeth. And it just that stuff doesn't come back. It never comes back. Nope. It does. It hurts.

Scott Tolinski

And it hurts really bad. Yeah. It definitely hurts. Yeah.

Wes Bos

Sounds big deal. So somebody on Twitter tagged you and told you to jump in here? Yeah. Yeah. I got, I got tagged with a ESLint to the,

Guest 12

like, to the YouTube, and Oh, yeah. Both told to come in. So I I wasn't sure if somebody asked me or it Wes, like, actually, like, hey, Jason's coming or something. But No. No. That was,

Wes Bos

we're so what we're doing for JS our 300th episode, and we are having people come on. And they either have to ask us a poll Wes. They have to do a sick pick.

Wes Bos

You gotta take a stump Wes, so Scott or I will give you a, a question about JavaScript or CSS that you have to answer or shamelessly plug something.

Guest 12

I Wes. Stumped me. Let's try. I I never Alright. Let's do it. The question is this is a hard JavaScript question. What does

Wes Bos

use strict in quotes do, and what are some of the benefits of using it?

Guest 12

Oh my god.

Wes Bos

I had this Node myself, and I I could only think of one thing.

Guest 12

Yeah.

Guest 12

I TypeScript.

Guest 12

I don't know. I don't know if I know any of these. So I know that one of the things that people complain about in JavaScript is that it does inference of a lot of things.

Guest 12

And if I remember correctly, TypeScript was a way to turn some of that inference off or to to make it stricter.

Guest 12

And that helps avoid some kind of confusing errors.

Guest 12

However, I have no idea if that is accurate or even close.

Wes Bos

My answer would have been it makes it more strict, because I don't know I don't think I I've never used to use strict. I don't know why. It just haven't, you Node. I know why. I know why neither of you have done this, and it's because you're probably writing modules for years now. Yes. Right. And right about the time that this rolled out, you probably moved to modules, so you never used it. But TypeScript is is if you've got a JavaScript file or a script tag and you type in use strict at the top of it, it will convert that, the JavaScript runtime to strict Node, which cleans it up. Because if you can't break old JavaScript and some some things like you can create a variable without putting Yarn in front of it, or you can, have a global variable accidentally.

Wes Bos

That's the big one for me.

Wes Bos

What are the other ones here? Sometimes provides increased performance, simplifies eval, and helps make JavaScript more secure. For me, it basically, like, turns off these silly things that we've had in JavaScript forever you shouldn't be allowed to do, which is the case if you write JavaScript in a module, but if you still are writing JavaScript in a Scott JS file. And that's why often when you you bundle your JavaScript, you'll see the first line says, use strict.

Wes Bos

In this way, if you, like, create a variable without putting a var in front of it, it won't even run because you might accidentally be doing something that's bad. I'm not gonna lie. I didn't even know that you could do that in JavaScript. Like, you're very, very all about

Guest 12

a keyword.

Wes Bos

Yeah. Well, that's good.

Wes Bos

It's funny. It's, like, this, like, like, obtuse thing to know about JavaScript, but, like I didn't know you could do that either. Alright. Well,

Guest 12

stumped. Stumped? I actually was completely stumped.

Scott Tolinski

Well, yeah. Stumped stumped shows no mercy.

Wes Bos

Alright. Well, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it.

Guest 12

Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. Have fun with the rest of the episode. Congratulations on 300 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Wes Bos

Pnpm.

Scott Tolinski

He said he could hear us now. So I can hear you. Hey. Yes. I can hear you. Space Yarn thing. What's going on? Go. Hey. It's all good. It's it's all good. You can hear us. We're we're good.

Guest 10

Oh, from the UK. Yes.

Guest 10

Yeah. We say zed, and we put, you know, unnecessary use and stuff in the Yeah. I see. I don't

Wes Bos

know. The correct way. Except, like, you use miles per hours on your street. Right?

Guest 10

Yeah. I know. I don't know what's going on with that. So That's that's bizarre. You know? Yeah. That is weird.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. Sorry about that. Your name is Scott as well. Right? It is Scott. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen you around on the, on the social media. Yeah. Pretty much spends Wes

Guest 10

tent everywhere.

Guest 10

So thank you guys, both of you. I mean, I think, Wes, your JavaScript 30 Wes, like, one of the sort of, the first like, the gateway drug into me becoming like a a proper professional web developer.

Scott Tolinski

So thank you. That's awesome to hear that. You're welcome. I think there there's a new toll that everyone's gonna have to pay to come on the show where they have to, send us each a compliment at the beginning. Butter, I thought. Yeah.

Scott Tolinski

Really? Wes needs some butter for his barbecue.

Guest 10

So, yeah, I just wanted to come on and, plug Oktoberfest, which no one has spoken about so far.

Guest 10

So I've been contributing to a repository called MDX embed, which lets you embed, 3rd party, things into your MDX file. So not just Gatsby, but Next. JS, and anywhere where you can use MDX, you can use MDX embed. Just just wrap it in the in the, provider, and you can sort of embed tweets, YouTube videos.

Guest 10

And that's the main thing I use it for.

Guest 10

Ah. There's a ton of stuff in there, and this is a really good success story from Hacktoberfest.

Guest 10

I'd just like to say there was, like, 80 around 80 issues. And so Paul Scanlon, who is in his repository at the moment, he did a great job setting up, an umbrella issue.

Guest 10

And this Wes just for test coverage so we could do a a v one release, and we've achieved it. We've got 98% test coverage, I think, now. It was 0 before.

Guest 10

So thanks to this is just me saying thanks to everyone contributing throughout Hacktoberfest. So and thanks to Paul for, you know, for the library as well. So it's it's been great. We've had tons of people come in to contribute, and, it's been really active. And we we did it. I mean, we did I think it was the AC issues, and we just churned through the more integration tests and, end to end tests. So it's it's been great. So that that's my plug. And, Can we just talk about how awesome MDX is in general? Oh, boy. Yeah. You know, I I love MDX. It is the best, and it just makes documenting stuff so much more fun. I tweeted the other day. I put a sarcasm component into my MDX just so I could wrap a bit of text, in the sarcasm component just so it goes like the the spongebob up and down. I I I took No. That's amazing.

Guest 10

I think I took, it from Wes proposal for the sarcasm proposal.

Guest 10

It Wes what I used, basically, just that and then put it into a component, fold it into the MDX, and that's it. 10 minutes late, you've got a sarcasm component in your in your markdown. So it's great.

Wes Bos

That's so good. Oh, that's hilarious. That's, like, actually a really good use case for learning. Yeah. Totally.

Scott Tolinski

And shout out to, those of you who use Svelte. There is a m d specs, which is a Oh, is there? Yeah. You know what? I was looking. So It's very good. I'll put it in the Discord. It's very, very good.

Guest 10

Brilliant. So that's me then. Thank you, guys. And, I have listened I I I wouldn't say to every 300, but I have listened to nearly all of the syntax episodes. I I I I listen to the a lot of podcasts and, a lot more thanks to your recommendation, Scott. So dinette diaries

Scott Tolinski

Oh, yeah.

Guest 10

What swindled, and there's just there's tons of stuff now. So All of the all of the crime crime based schooling

Scott Tolinski

podcast, Wes, so good. It makes me very depressed.

Guest 10

Brilliant.

Guest 10

Let's, leave it on that now, I guess.

Guest 10

Thank you, champs. Thanks for joining us. Appreciate it. No. Thank you very much. Glad you, got it got your audio working, and happy to have you on, Scott. Yeah. I can take my thumb off the space bar now. Thanks, guys.

Scott Tolinski

James.

Scott Tolinski

James is gonna have another pro setup. Everybody's has pro setups. Sweet. I'm on. What's up with turn on camera?

Guest 13

Yeah. And live there.

Scott Tolinski

What's going on? Look at those lights. It's your chance. Do go dance at the stage. The supernatural poster. I'd rather get a kick out of those. Oh, yeah.

Guest 13

Oh, yeah. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. It seems like it's going well. This is super cool.

Scott Tolinski

It's very cool.

Scott Tolinski

We spent a significant amount of time trying to figure out the technical aspects of doing all this. We're like, okay. Yeah. Let's use breakout rooms and Zoom. And, like, what the heck? We couldn't get it where we we tried a lot of different stuff. It's definitely, pretty eye opening. And me, personally, I, learned how to do a countdown clock on OBS and Nice. A a looping video with audio and stuff. It Wes all pretty good. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm finally getting that OBS kick going. I know, James, you're you're pretty comfortable on, on OBS.

Guest 13

I yeah. Like, I do it a lot. I actually streamed this morning, but it, I don't do anything too fancy. And I actually have. So you mentioned having the issue with recording the window with Zoom with Shopee. I've had the exact same thing. So I do the same,

Scott Tolinski

grabbing the screen and then just clipping out the stuff that I need. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I saw that on on the Internet somewhere and Wes like, oh, give it a try. And, yeah, I I'm using the the Streamlabs OBS.

Scott Tolinski

That's what I use. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty nice. There's all these plug ins. I got I got that. I I actually, shame, ashamedly paid money just so I could get the gold color scheme. It's a golden black color scheme. There's a lot of other features that came with the the pro, but I don't care. I paid for the gold color scheme specifically.

Guest 13

And how much so so that we can you specifically for this. How much did you pay just for the gold Oh, I don't I don't know. I don't know.

Wes Bos

It's a rounding error for Scott.

Scott Tolinski

Wes. Node. It's, I I was like, well, if I'm gonna if I'm well, there's a lot of extra little templates and gadgets and gazmos that they give you, with it. So I was like, well, if I'm gonna if I'm gonna do live streaming, I don't wanna have to figure out how to do all that stuff myself. Yep. I want to click button and get countdown clock and then change the value stuff.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. James, do you wanna do a, shameless plug, a stumped question, a poll Wes, or what's the other one?

Wes Bos

Sick pick? Sick pick. Sick

Scott Tolinski

pick. Fair enough. Or any or all. Whatever you want.

Guest 13

Yeah. I I will I'll volunteer for a stubbed question. We'll see how it goes. But I would like to ask a question first if you're cool with it. Yeah. I am now teaching my 2nd round of a boot camp, and I know, Wes, you've done that in the past. This one is twice a week at night.

Guest 13

This one is virtual this time around. The last 1 was in person at Memphis, so it's a different experience.

Guest 13

And a lot of what we talk about I know you've talked about this some on the podcast before, but just the idea of imposter syndrome, the idea of being really nervous to ask questions specifically, that's the easiest way for people to fall behind. So any like, we bring this up. Myself and TAs are are always encouraging people, hey, ask Wes. What questions do you have? Trying to be preemptive.

Wes Bos

Any specific advice on how to really keep keep people engaged and make them feel comfortable asking questions to make sure that as they start to Yeah. To maybe fall behind, that we kinda catch them pretty quick? My answer JS gonna be for in Vercel, because I I pnpm a lot of time, like, thinking about this. And it because what would happen is you would teach something, and the question was to come up during that time. And then I made sure that we had, like, 10, 15 minute, like, work on it yourself breaks.

Wes Bos

And then I had to master the warp around the classroom slowly, but not like a teacher who's trying to look at everyone's screens Yeah. That's and just saying like, hey. Any questions over Vercel? Or, like, really reading body language from certain people, and you're just, like, walking up and be like, hey. Everything looking okay? Or or whatever. Or even just, like, going up to somebody who had finished it, and they check it out. And then while you're sitting down, usually, the person next to it would be like, actually, you know what? I have a quick question as well. So just, like, trying to, like, tease the questions out of people, and and, literally, it's just being physically close enough to people Wes they're like, okay. Now it's not a big deal. You know what? While you're here, come on over, and I I got a question and and whatnot. So that was that was my little trick, and I feel like I got that down pretty pretty down pat because I could stand in front of the class and say, Wes? Node. Nobody's gonna yeah. Nobody's gonna say a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Start walking around tons of Wes. And, also, like, people would listen in to other people's Wes. They have questions on that. So that's that's my advice there.

Guest 13

Cool. Yeah. It's definitely it's a challenge being completely remote. So we have Yeah. It's actually an interesting program. We start with a 160 students, so it's just kind of a numbers game, really, of, like, it's free, so we have a ton of people start. We're down probably to 1:30 or so now after a couple of weeks, and that's expected.

Guest 13

So I do, like, a main lecture thing for everyone in Zoom, and then we break out into our TA groups, and then I kinda float around and try to help there. Oh, yeah. So it's a it's a different thing trying to do a virtual versus, actually being able to be there ESLint person, read the body language. Like, I try to see as many faces as I can, but you can only see somebody in Zoom at a time.

Scott Tolinski

Totally. Let's get a stump question going here. Let me,

Wes Bos

I got maybe you might you might not know this one. This one is this one is easy, but this is something that I know a lot of people don't know because maybe not necessarily something they've used.

Wes Bos

What is the difference between the post fix I plus plus and prefix, plus plus I, increment operators?

Guest 13

Okay.

Guest 13

So Node will do I have to, like, picture it in my head to actually explain which 1.

Guest 13

1 will increment the value first before, like, you actually get to reference it and the set the other one will, like, reference it first and then increment it.

Guest 13

So if you do, like, plus plus if you console log plus plus I, it would increment I and then log versus if you I plus plus, it would log I and then add the 1.

Wes Bos

JS that I was like I was waiting for some sort of reaction to see if I if I was even close. I was like, what can I what can I do to get the kill? That's what.

Wes Bos

So I'll fly in a red box. The worst cowbell of all time. That, I hope someone

Guest 13

I'm gonna I'm gonna strip that out of the YouTube video later on and and and use that for, like, my promotional stuff. Ding ding ding ding. This is the highest reward I've ever gotten JS the flyers and the energy drink combo.

Wes Bos

Oh, that's good. Good. Well, good job. That's, it I remember that one biting me, and I didn't know it. And that like, I very clearly remember having an off by pnpm error with, like, something.

Guest 13

Mhmm. That's a tricky one, definitely. And it's not That that's why, like, a lot of ESLint

Wes Bos

will say, just don't use those at all.

Wes Bos

Use the plus equals if you need to.

Wes Bos

Because it it can bite you if you don't know what you're doing.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah.

Guest 13

Yeah. Yeah. And you almost never see unless you really know what you're doing, you almost never see plus plus I like, you all almost always see I plus plus. So to throw that in for someone that doesn't specifically know what it does would would definitely throw them off. Yeah. I don't know if I use that much outside of,

Scott Tolinski

like I don't know if I use that ever anymore.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. Like, I don't know that I I do all. The plus equals. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think of when I went. I was thinking like loops. It's like, I don't know. Written looping.

Scott Tolinski

No.

Guest 13

So 19 tickety 2. So you wanna know something my biggest pet peeve right now in teaching is we use it starting from scratch, so we're learning 4 loops. And as I'm writing out all this stuff for several days before we learned about map or, like, I showed them for each, I was having to type out all these damn for loops, like, every single time, and it Wes, like, the bane of my existence. It's like if I were to do it in Versus code, for example, I've got snippets, but now I need Node actually explain what I'm doing. So it's, like, it's the worst to type out and type in the way. Semi colon after the increment condition?

Scott Tolinski

No.

Scott Tolinski

Deno. Yeah. It's funny. My my biggest thing is when, when Prettier stops working, and I've realized just how awful I am at formatting by default. I I just, like, start mashing the keyboard. And then when I click save and it doesn't fix itself, I'm, like, what is going on here? This code looks terrible. Well, and I I look like not so great of a developer because I make lots of mistakes because right now we're using Yeah.

Guest 13

A browser thing called Repllet, which is not Versus Code. Yep. And they see me make all sort of mistakes that I wouldn't usually make inside of Versus Code. Wes, what was that?

Wes Bos

The chat is like, why do you have pliers on your desk? And someone's like, Wes has a bunch of random motors on his desk. I'm like, I do. That's true.

Scott Tolinski

I mean, well, I have a bunch of random crackers, which is really, crackers and cold brews, really my my MO here. You know what else is something that is a really big problem of mine Wes I really don't like it JS when I have bugs and creepy crawlies in my code. And one thing that I do to get those out of there, James, do you know what it is when I have bugs in my code? I missed who the sponsor was, so I don't wanna guess there was 1 and then mess it up. Okay. Well, that is very kind of you because it is Century.

Scott Tolinski

I'm talking about century I dot I o. This is a error and exception handling service that Wes and I have both used for a very long time that really gives us all sorts of really awesome information about our application at any given ESLint. It's a totally essential piece of software in my mind if you are running any sort of application that people are using because people have bugs, people have issues, and then you get to catalog them. And, if you're in a team, you get to say, somebody else do this for me, and then you can have them fix it, submit the issue, mark it as resolved, and then be shocked and horrified when it comes back. And it is a regression because that's just how life is. Right? So head on over to century@century.i0.

Scott Tolinski

Use the coupon code tasty treat, all lowercase, all one word, and, you will get rid of all those creepy crawlies in your the the here's here's what's gonna happen. If you sign up for Century, those creepy crawlies, they're gonna turn into gummy worms, and, that's gonna be a Scott. And I'm gonna eat them, because that's that's how the the candy situation is going in my household right now.

Scott Tolinski

We we were on a call with, unrelated. We were on a call with my parents the other day, and they they said something about the the the Sanity. And Courtney was like, well, I don't know if we're gonna have any left because Scott ate a whole bag of the coffee.

Scott Tolinski

Scott.

Wes Bos

Scott, you totally missed my softball I was trying to give you. I was drinking from the Netlify water bottle, and I thought you were gonna do that transition. Hey, Wes.

Scott Tolinski

The sponsors are read in the order in which they're in the note document or the, the note document.

Scott Tolinski

The, Node document.

Scott Tolinski

And I see CenturyLink. Node. Yeah. Check your Node. My bad. My bad. But Node I could not I couldn't see the Netlify logo on your water bottle. But I saw it. I just didn't know what he was doing. I thought he was just, like, really proud of the water bottle.

Wes Bos

I have a Century shirt too. I should, like, go full what's the what's that movie where he's wearing he's wearing all the Reebok? Wayne's World. Wayne's World. Gonna go for Wayne's World on the on the swag. Cool.

Guest 13

For what it's worth, I was gonna guess Century, by the way. I just didn't quite hear the intro, so I didn't know. I didn't wanna say it wrong. But It JS it was very fine very fine of you, James. I think you did an excellent job. Thank you.

Scott Tolinski

Okay.

Scott Tolinski

Anything else? Do you wanna shamelessly plug anything? Sure. Before we Yeah.

Guest 13

YouTube, James, q quick.

Guest 13

And, recently put out an ebook actually called YouTube for Developers at youtubefordevelopers.com Oh, awesome. About how to get started, why people should, the benefits that come along with it.

Guest 13

Really, the benefits, like, for your career. And I just recorded a video this morning that is not live yet, but, like, the 5 things that I've learned doing YouTube videos and how it's influenced my career.

Guest 13

So YouTube for developers.com, and then just James Q Quick on, YouTube.

Scott Tolinski

Sick. Sick. Well, thanks. For hopping on, James. Really appreciate it. Yeah. I appreciate it. It wouldn't have been 300 without you. That's for sure.

Guest 13

Well, I, I feel pretty privileged that I got to be part of a a transition for a sponsor. That was pretty special.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Scott Tolinski

You got to see, how the coffee was made.

Guest 13

That's right. Yes. Alright. I'll talk to you later.

Scott Tolinski

See you. Later, James. See you. Alright. We're gonna get Whale Phil on. Yeah. I'm gonna take a break. I'll be right back in 2 seconds. How about I take a break too? Okay. And we just leave Whalefield.

Wes Bos

We'll just leave it. Wes, Phil, by himself. I need some I've I I need some some water here. I'm getting a little tarshish. Wait. Why don't you just add a bunch of people to the stream, and then we'll leave?

Scott Tolinski

No. You go 1st. Whale fell, and then I'll go.

Scott Tolinski

Okay. Whale fell. Whale Whale, Phil, you,

Guest 15

got it. Got the mute. Where's the Eggplant.

Guest 15

I have an eggplant.

Guest 15

My Halloween costume because Discord hasn't implemented server specific photos.

Scott Tolinski

That's a that's a pretty, pretty Node Halloween costume. My son is going as a dragon, and I'm trying to well, we're not going out, but I'm trying to figure out what what to be wearing around the house. I'm notoriously bad at Halloween costumes. I was l l cool j once, and I Wes, Fresh Prince once, and then I was a golfer.

Scott Tolinski

They're just all terrible costumes, and everyone would be like, I have no idea what the hell you are. Like, well, I'm wearing a kangal, and I'm wearing a Wes. So I'm obviously l l cool j.

Guest 15

I'm just so like, I don't know about it.

Guest 15

I've been like the same Mario costume for the past, like, 4 years since I started Vercel, so I'm with you on the terrible

Scott Tolinski

costumes thing. Can't can't pick a new one. You seem like you could rock a pretty pretty mean Mario with that mustache.

Guest 15

I think it I I'm I'm better left to ESLint a, attachable.

Scott Tolinski

Get a stick on, I think.

Guest 15

Yeah. Yeah. Only any any princess in a castle would want this mustache saving them. So yeah.

Scott Tolinski

I'm gonna let let's take over for a second. I'm gonna get I'm gonna get some tea. Alright. Sounds good. Whale fail. Is that reference to Twitter going down?

Guest 15

Reference to Twitter going down. No. Did it have something to do?

Wes Bos

No? Yeah. Yeah. That was well, us olden olden folk, when Twitter used to go down, like, every day, their four zero four page had a fail whale on it. And when something would go down, you'd be like, oh, that that service fail whale or whale failed.

Wes Bos

That's what I thought it was in reference to.

Guest 15

My last name is McPhail.

Wes Bos

So just Seriously? That's amazing. Yeah. What's your first name?

Guest 15

Austin.

Wes Bos

Austin. Where are you from?

Guest 15

Saskatchewan.

Guest 15

Regina.

Wes Bos

Oh, a Canadian in the house. Another Canadian. My wife is from Yorkton. Oh, really? Yeah. So not far away. I've been to Saskatchewan many times in the winter, which is absolutely freezing.

Wes Bos

But, yeah, Saskatchewanians are an an odd type. What do you what do you call this that I'm wearing right now?

Guest 15

That is, to me, because I find the word bunny hug embarrassing.

Guest 15

When I say it to other people, I say hoodie.

Wes Bos

A hoodie. Yeah.

Guest 15

They they call it a bunny hug. Yeah. There's there's billboards when you're driving that says our CEO calls it a bunny hug.

Guest 15

That is the that is the Connexus c CTO.

Wes Bos

Yeah. You have your and you have your own, like, telephone company up there too, SaskTel,

Guest 15

which is Yeah. We got SaskTel. This is not bad. Actually, right now, they have been making a bunch of noise outside my house or outside my apartment installing Infinite, which I'm very excited for because that is the They're

Wes Bos

LTE?

Guest 15

They're fiber lines.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, man.

Guest 15

They can finally get some, like, good speeds.

Guest 15

Oh, that's awesome. So I don't I don't have a nice setup like everyone else, but I do have a massage chair. So Oh. Well, now that's pretty well. Okay. We'll train now. Let's talk about this for a second. Yeah. Is that your normal chair? No. I I just I got this from my dad not that long ago. They didn't need it at their condo. So they asked if I wanted it, and I could not say no to a JS it a computer chair, or it's just like one of those, like, lazy boys at the mall? This this is just a lazy boy. Yeah. I'm just in here.

Wes Bos

That's like dreams, man. Like, my dream is to have one of those L shaped couches that every single spot that you sit in is a La Z Bos, and it has a cooler and cup holders. And my wife is like, never in your life will we buy that.

Scott Tolinski

Wes, one time in high school, one of my friends, his dad had a company that invented the, shoot. What's this? I I always remember the name of this thing, but it is JS essentially a golf ball puzzle that you could print a logo on and sell. And he sold the company for, like, 1,000,000 of dollars.

Scott Tolinski

And the first thing they did was build build a theater in their basement, and the theater in their basement had, like, rows of massage chairs. Oh. We always used to go over to his house and, like, send the massage. But it was just like, the dude went from, like, Node day being, like, normal normal everyday dude to the next day, massage chair. Care theater. We We're just It's all because kind of money. I hope that one day is massage chair. Of a golf ball puzzle, man. A golf ball puzzle. It had a really good name too. I forget what it was. It was the Bogey Buddy. Oh my gosh. The Bogey Buddy. Bogey. That's awesome.

Wes Bos

What what do you what do you got for us today? What do you wanna talk to us about? Okay.

Guest 15

So I've always had,

Guest 4

problems with pnpm via Node working together.

Guest 4

Mhmm. There's so many, tutorial. I think it's a step of where they've selected their extension and they go right to Npm install. Wes. Once oh, Bos your uncle. I hit save and my code looks good.

Guest 4

But I feel like there's a step missing there because I've just ESLint them and solved the ESLint and stuff doesn't work. And then I realized, oh, the Flint their v s code has

Wes Bos

it's auto save plug in. Yeah.

Wes Bos

So Yeah. Where

Guest 4

like what is the process that I threw my headphones, I realized that's actually in here. I should hear it Node second.

Guest 4

My audio.

Scott Tolinski

The question is about v s Node, ESLint, and Prettier playing nicely together, which I have a a significant amount of problems with myself. I feel like. Right? Am I

Wes Bos

Sorry. The question was, like, how do you set it up or, like, what's missing?

Guest 15

Yeah. Like, what's missing? Because it's like it's it's obviously not boobity boobity boop, MPMI, ESLint Yeah. And Prettier, and it all just works when you get your Prettier r RC and your ESLint RC. Get all that extension set up, but you're it didn't it didn't suddenly we Airbnb we Airbnb in here.

Guest 15

There's a there's a v s code setting, but I don't know which one it is because there's 3 extensions.

Guest 15

V s code v s code prettier, and then VSCode Prettier ESLint.

Guest 15

And I don't know which one to select as default formatter.

Scott Tolinski

The the way the way that I do it is I just keep installing and and adding configs until it works.

Scott Tolinski

And then when it works, I just don't touch it.

Scott Tolinski

Les, do you have anything more official than that? I'm mad. Britney posted a really nice, blog post that, she did in the chat about getting it all set up. So maybe that might be a a good help. Britney might be the, issue. I've spent a lot of time on this because it's so frustrating. It never freaking works, and I I too,

Wes Bos

and I set off to I just evaluated.

Wes Bos

It's because there's so many there's moving parts. There's there's Prettier. There's the Switch. And then there is also 3 extensions in Versus Node that could be installed. And then there also is a Beautifier built into Versus Code. Yep. And they can fight with each other. So, personally, I use both ESLint and Prettier.

Wes Bos

A lot of people just use Prettier, but I like I like getting the feedback from ESLint, and I like getting the formatting from Prettier.

Wes Bos

Mhmm. So the way I do it is I use Prettier via an ESLint config.

Wes Bos

Not every ESLint config will do that, but I I put them together. So it's just 1 config at the end of the day.

Wes Bos

Then you need to not install any Prettier Versus Code extension. You only need to install the ESLint extension, and then you need to go into your settings.

Wes Bos

And this is all documented. I have a just Google Node sweat ESLint.

Scott Tolinski

That's such a Wes blog title.

Wes Bos

That's yeah. It's a it's a YouTube video, and it's a read me on, on GitHub.

Wes Bos

And it goes through all the v s code. You Scott turn off format on save, and you gotta turn on code actions on save Scott fix all.

Wes Bos

So you have to go off and turn something. And this even this morning, I was battling.

Wes Bos

I'm working on converting my config to TypeScript, and I have the Prettier comma dangle setting, and I have the ESLint Node comma dangle setting. They were fighting each other. So every other time I saved, it would go back and forth and put

Scott Tolinski

I know I know that, dude. That's awesome.

Wes Bos

Oh, so Yeah. I've I've honestly spent days working on my config, and you don't have to use my config because you can just follow the settings and plug in your own or you can extend it. But yeah, I feel you there. It's it's always frustratingly and I've got it to a point now where I can get all my tutorial people up and running on it because the auto format is such a key thing when learning.

Wes Bos

Yeah. So good.

Guest 15

Yeah. Well, I mean, like like like Scott was saying, it feels weird when he doesn't have the auto formatter, and it's Wes you actually have to, like, backspace stuff and add a semicolon or remove a semicolon.

Scott Tolinski

It makes me feel so weird about how I used to code, like, without I mean, I had ESLint, but even ESLint did, you know, auto formatting at some point, whatever. But, like, man, before Prettier and ESLint together, side by side kicking butt, I don't Node what I did.

Scott Tolinski

Personally, I think I my Node just probably looked terrible.

Scott Tolinski

And now it doesn't. Thank you very much.

Guest 15

Okay. So I know this is probably running a little longer because you guys took your segmented break there.

Scott Tolinski

No. It left me hanging it left me hanging.

Guest 15

So I think I'm gonna skip the stump and not risk myself from embarrassing myself.

Guest 15

But I do kinda wanna plug something because I wanna I wanna get some feedback on it because Yeah. You guys, I decided to go with Gatsby and Sanity for an artist's blog site, artist's blog slash portfolio site.

Guest 15

So let me know I Wes, folks at can go to erickaka, weird, you know, to say spell Erica, dot art. And, that's, like, my first kinda solo project that I've launched ever. And so just kinda wanna get some feedback. Let me know. Cool. Yeah. My network

Scott Tolinski

is being really slow. What's going on here? I'm only streaming and and doing all this video stuff. Why isn't it going faster? E I r e no. E r I k k a dot art?

Guest 15

There's a c before the two k's. Okay. Well, that is

Scott Tolinski

good good for me. Yeah.

Scott Tolinski

Hey. That looks great. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.

Wes Bos

Nice job. You I don't think you're using the Gatsby Sanity image component. No. I don't So that would be think I am.

Wes Bos

Yeah. Because Gatsby Image Sanity provides all the pieces you need for Gatsby Image, and it will provide you multiple sizes and and resizes and image formats.

Wes Bos

So that that's

Guest 15

probably somewhere to look, but it looks awesome. Nice job. Great. Thanks. Thanks, guys. And thanks for having me on. And thank you for answering this question. Hopefully, hopefully, this sticks as my future woes. Yeah. It does.

Scott Tolinski

Alright.

Scott Tolinski

Have a good one. Well, thanks for popping on. Popping, locking. Popping and locking. Alright. I know,

Wes Bos

tons of people want in. Alright. Are you are you grabbing someone, Scott?

Scott Tolinski

I have added Dave Kiss.

Wes Bos

This is fun. There's there's, like, like, a little chat room going on YouTube, a huge chat room going on the Discord.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And, I'm trying to monitor them all.

Wes Bos

I'm not looking at your YouTube. Is there there's a bunch of people in there too?

Scott Tolinski

Yes.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, you have people in yours as Wes? Yep. That's what we did for, simulcasting.

Guest 14

We're here. We made it. Hey.

Guest 14

Woah. Look at that setup. Yeah. This is my this is my work from home office. I need a little bit better, but, like, I'm a keep going on. You know what I mean? Oh my gosh. That is a gorgeous. Look at the some views. Yeah. Insta Insta worthy. Are you sure you're not a desk boy? I'm not sure what that is.

Scott Tolinski

It's a yeah. That's a definitely a Wes thing.

Wes Bos

A desk boy is someone who posts a photo of their desk on Instagram every day.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, man. That was the sickest office. You know what the saddest thing about that JS, though, Wes? Is that, like, when I do that, when I post a photo of my desk every day on Instagram, I get way more people following me than when I do that. I don't. I do too. It works. I'm just yeah. I'm just joshing around. Oh, Josh Wes is covered in Sour Patch Kids wrappers

Guest 14

and Oh, yeah. Candles. So they probably wanna go too far.

Scott Tolinski

Sour Patch are top tier Halloween candy for me in my mind. I'm a gummy I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a a salt a sugary sugary Scott gummy guy. That's definitely my my go to.

Guest 14

Yeah. It's definitely, I think, a pretty underrated,

Scott Tolinski

the chocolate gets all the love. Oh, Sanity butter chocolate. Yeah. The chocolate does get all the love. Yeah. Peanut butter chocolate kinda guy. You're a big. I'm not a big candy guy. Yeah. So I'm not either, but, like, if there is gummy worms in the house, I'm all over those gummy worms. That's for sure. Alright. Check this out. I got a sick pick for y'all. Love it. Alright. You were mentioning before about how you're using,

Guest 14

I think, OBS for, like, the fancy middleware for your video to your stream. Right? Oh, yes. I just came across this, not affiliated with it, called Mhmm.

Guest 4

You ever hear of it? Mhmm. Mhmm. No. Uh-uh.

Guest 14

Check it out. Okay. So this is what I'm using to kinda compose this thing. Wes, essentially, what happens is you you get, like, this Deno for your livestream.

Guest 14

So you have the ability to put together slides or pipe in your video, and I could also copilot it if I wanna throw another remote, webcam here in the corner. And then, as a background, I can change the room I'm in. I get these pointers to be able to, like, say, this is what I'm talking to about over Vercel. Hello? Oh, someone mentioned it in the Twitter thread. I can share my screen.

Guest 14

It's super dope. I've been using it lately on some, demo calls, and it's been pretty great. I like their branding,

Scott Tolinski

once I finally arrived here. Yeah.

Wes Bos

I especially like that they're using grunge on their website, and I think it is the same grunge I use.

Scott Tolinski

The, like, the paint splatter one? I remember.

Wes Bos

No. Behind it is, like, a subtle Oh. Is that gray? Oh, no. That's my monitor. Oh my gosh. My monitor is so dirty. Like, what are you talking about? I CSS there.

Scott Tolinski

That your monitor is so crappy, or is that dirty? It is It's dirty? Because no. Let me explain. That's so much that you think it has aggressive sex.

Wes Bos

So you know why? Okay. 2 things. First of all, we just Node our our top room up here, and we just threw out the drywall out this window into the river. So Node joking me. I Wes put it in a thing.

Wes Bos

And what is he's just still laughing.

Scott Tolinski

I had to hit the deck, man. I couldn't die.

Wes Bos

And then I got the BenQ light, and it it Oh, yeah. A sheet of light straight down. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't realize how dusty that was that I thought it was grunge.

Wes Bos

Wow. Anyways

Guest 14

Wes. Pretty bad day. Did you just get, like, a spray in a towel? There's really not much

Scott Tolinski

to it. Yeah. I got one of these right here for you. Yeah. The microfiber.

Wes Bos

Yeah. Can you send it over? That way, I guess. That's a quick swipe. I do have one.

Scott Tolinski

Here's a better room. Oh. I won't go too crazy. Yeah.

Scott Tolinski

For those of you who are listening at home, there is a, a spooky house.

Guest 14

And you can tell it's a spooky house because there's a sign that says keep out on the front and the green. Oh, it's a listening too. Oh, so all these, like, awkward pauses are gonna make oh, no. Well, sick pick. Yeah. That that's what I got in terms of sick pick. I truthfully, the stump thing, I was, like, down for it, and then I think I got virtually stumped from all the other questions as well. I couldn't get embarrassed, but,

Scott Tolinski

I guess I'm down to try it. Alright. Yeah. I think we should test test your luck. Alright.

Scott Tolinski

Roll the dice. Okay. Stuntmaster Wes in the house here.

Wes Bos

This is a CSS question.

Wes Bos

What is the difference between the plus and the tilde sibling selectors in CSS?

Scott Tolinski

Oh.

Scott Tolinski

Plus Tilda?

Wes Bos

Tilda.

Guest 14

Tilda. For those listening at home, I'm gonna preface this answer with it. It's completely made up, so don't take it for granted. Don't take it for the truth.

Guest 14

The plus is, going to select the element that is right next to the element that you're targeting with the original selector, and the tilde is a like pnpm parent,

Scott Tolinski

selector for the current element. That'd be neat. How's that? That would be neat. The second1 would be cool if that existed.

Wes Bos

No. That close enough. The you got the first part right. The first one JS right. Yeah. Is

Scott Tolinski

the,

Wes Bos

the adjacent siblings, and the tilde selects all further siblings, and the plus selects just the exact next one. Right?

Scott Tolinski

Correct.

Guest 14

Yes.

Scott Tolinski

Alright. That wasn't bad. Yeah. No. You got the plus. Plus, I'll sleep. Plus, I'll sleep. Alright. Selector would be very cool to have. I'd be very into Vercel selector.

Wes Bos

Yeah. I wonder if we'll ever get that. Like, there was some talk about, like, putting, like, an asterisk on the selected element. So you could say, like this came out the other day, and Next. Js released the image component. And if you put a class on the image, it puts it puts the class on the image itself, but it wraps it in a couple divs because of responsiveness or whatever. There's no way to select there's no way to add a class currently. They're they'll they'll add it, I'm sure. But I was like, yeah. It would be cool to have a parent selector in CSS.

Guest 14

There's some crazy thing that I'm doing in Node as one of my selectors, I don't know what it is. Maybe you can enlighten me to tell me how I'm doing this thing. But I thought it had some like, I've never seen too much about this, but it Wes, like, equals tilde,

Wes Bos

maybe? Equals. Or JS it or star equals?

Guest 14

No. It was it's or maybe the other way around.

Guest 14

Let me see real quick. Essentially, to describe it before what before I can find it is so, yeah, it's a tilde equals. So I have a I have a class that essentially, an element child of that of the top level class, I wanted to, like, look up the tree and say, hey. If the thing above me, like, somewhere up there has this class associated with it, Or in fact, I'm using oh, maybe I should just put this in the, Discord, and you have to tell me exactly what this looks like to you. So this isn't a style component.

Guest 14

Okay. Check that out. So this Yeah. Oh, yeah. Piece goes into a style component for Yarn of the app that I'm working on. And something about that allows it to look up the tree and determine whether or not in this case, what we have is, like, this data attribute, right, to determine whether or not that element up there has that data attribute. So what's going on there that I'd I mean, I was like I don't know. Must've been my ID. Copied up and I saw, but it it actually it works somehow. I don't really understand it, though. The tilde is

Wes Bos

I think it's like the star where it's it does, like, a partial match. So you could say anywhere where the title or attribute or a class is has the word l g in it. So it could be l g dash 5, l g dash 6.

Wes Bos

Anything that just starts with or has that l g in it will will do it. The and percent selector, I think that is something styled components.

Wes Bos

I've not seen the at the end of I've not seen the ampersand at the end of a selector like that. That's definitely not CSS, regular CSS. But because of style components, maybe it has the ability to traverse, the selectors and go up. But, usually, the and JS, like, and this thing plus the following selector.

Guest 14

Right. Yeah. That's how I've always used it. And I must've, like I don't know. Like I said, stayed up late or had too much coffee, and you just get one of those zones where you just start coming up with, I don't know, something.

Guest 14

That came out one time, and I've never been able to actually figure out how what it meant or why I wrote it, but it actually works. I was pretty pumped about it.

Scott Tolinski

Very weird. We're checking out. Interesting.

Scott Tolinski

Cool. Well well, thanks for sharing that. We'll we'll I'm gonna I'm gonna check that out and see, what the heck is going on there. Yeah. Let me know. I'd love to follow-up on that at some point. I just found a blog post,

Wes Bos

about it. Oh, the ampersand will allow you to have siblings of a styled component. That's actually handy. So let's say you are in a style component and you have, like, you know, like ESLint item, stock style component, and then the you have a next one beside it. The ampersand will allow you to select the next styled component no matter how deep you are, which is that's really cool. So, if you're if you're 5 levels Deno selectors inside of 1 style component, you can still select the next top level styled component without having to go back up the tree and then into it. That's awesome. I didn't know that existed.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. I didn't know that existed either. Straight up. Well, that, that that's definitely awesome. Well, thank you so much for sharing that.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, Wes is shaking his his water bottle, letting me know that it is time to talk about hosting Because if if you, get this. Get this. If you, wanted to share this neat little bit of information that you just shared with us, what were you gonna do? Well, the easiest way to do anything is to just pop up a quick little blog on Netlify, and it is very quick. You can do it with any tech you want, including style the components and Gatsby and whatever you might like to do or, Svelte in in some front end tech or some Vue and whatever.

Scott Tolinski

You can pop any front end code on a Netlify in just about 2 seconds, and it's so dang easy. You just pass it in a GitHub repo and, wham, it, it's up. And it takes care of all that continuous integration stuff that's so hard to set up. Who wants to fiddle with, build pipelines when you can just get it for free with Netlify? So you're gonna wanna check out Netlify.

Scott Tolinski

They were more than just a front end host, though. They have all sorts of additional things like serverless functions, user accounts, contact forms, and all sorts of more things. So check it out at Nullify.comforward/ syntax, and you will see all of the magic. I don't know. I'm kinda trying to come up with another, another slogan on the fly here and see the magic is the only one I ever come up with. So Did you see that they they released background functions yesterday? So you can now run serverless functions,

Wes Bos

asynchronously, meaning that, like, it doesn't have to be triggered by somebody hitting a URL, and it will run for up to 15 minutes, which is pretty cool. Someone was asking me about that on Instagram, like, 2 days ago, and I was like, you can't really do it. And then they they released it.

Scott Tolinski

You can't really do it. Oh, oopsies. Now you can.

Wes Bos

Yeah. Now you can. They rolled it out. So I also just realized we had Jason on the show.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. We can talk about Netlify.

Wes Bos

He he works there. So is that part of of is that harming our editorial integrity, Scott?

Scott Tolinski

No. Because remember how much I talked about Netlify before they sponsored our show? So, shout out to Netlify for, being a long time sponsor of ours. And, thank you, Dave, for popping on. Your name is Dave. Right? I'm I I've just assumed your name's Dave based on your username. So It's Paulo.

Guest 5

No. I'm just kidding. Yeah. It's Dave.

Guest 14

Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for, chat I'd actually yeah. I didn't wanna break up your ad speak, but, yeah, trying to get I don't know how to get off of here.

Guest 14

Can I a big Discord user?

Scott Tolinski

No. That is very fine. It JS actually better that you were here for the ad read because that that's what we call a personal engagement right there.

Scott Tolinski

Dave, I think you can just click. There's an x at the bottom of Discord. There's like a little phone within I got it. It's like a phone with an x. There it goes.

Wes Bos

Alright. We had a whole bunch of other people that wanted to come on.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. But I I I promised Garrett he could come on.

Guest 9

Turn on my camera. Turn off the radio.

Scott Tolinski

Hey. Woah. Oh. Yeah. What is this? Happy.

Guest 9

Where is it? I'm doing Halloween early. It's my favorite holiday, so I figured why why wait till tomorrow? He's a JavaScript wizard. That's how I live life.

Scott Tolinski

My my favorite, x y z, why wait till tomorrow? That's, that's really dope. I'm, happy you Yarn able to come on.

Scott Tolinski

So this is going to be an embarrassing question, because it is Garrett. Right? Or is it Garrett? Because I I, forever and ever and ever, Garrett's been on the chat room for a very long time. And, every time I read his username, I read it as Gareth. And I I just sort of assumed your name was Gareth. And then at one day, I was like, I am so dumb. What what what am I thinking? Gareth? Wes who's named Gareth? So sorry if your name is Gareth out there, and I just said that. But no. Thanks for coming on, Garrett. Yeah. No. You were right. It's t h. Yeah. It's the Oh, it's Gareth.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, okay. I was right then. Okay. I thought something was right earlier. Yeah.

Scott Tolinski

Man.

Scott Tolinski

Okay. Well, that that whole bit, just toss it.

Scott Tolinski

Garrett is or Gareth is our typing champion over here at, the level of tutorials Discord by a significant margin.

Scott Tolinski

We did a typing challenge test, and, I think you beat me by, like, a 100 words per minute or something outrageous. Yours was, like, untouchable. What was it? Like, 260 or something? No. No. No. It was, like, 135 or something. But yeah. Oh, mine was, like, 60, and yours was, like, 135 or either way. Yeah. Everybody was like, well, I can take drink toast.

Scott Tolinski

Well, you've I don't think you die. I think you would take out Wes too. We we had some, stiff competition too, and you just about

Guest 9

the the home keys and whatnot, the quote unquote proper way to type. And by that point, you know, I've been on computers my whole life, so I had my own way. And I think I got a a c in the class, so I have a a vendetta against that teacher, and I've always been trying to type faster and faster ever since then. One of those thousand drugs Scott goes away.

Scott Tolinski

Swapping all the keys to Dvorak or whatever JS that bad?

Guest 9

Look at their Node third.

Guest 9

That level.

Scott Tolinski

I listened I actually tried to do it once, because I listened to a podcast where the guy who created WordPress was like, yeah.

Scott Tolinski

I have some, like, statistics that say how much, like, further your fingers move over the course of your lifetime if you don't use Dvorak. And I was like, wow. That's pretty significant. Maybe I'll give that a try. And I moved my phone to Dvorak, and my computer was still the normal QWERTY. And, it was very confusing for me for a very, very long time until I swapped it back.

Guest 9

Cool. Yeah. So I have a I have a, a potluck question I wanted to ask you. I'll get some insight on this. Alright. I've been working with with React Native recently. I come from a web background, and, I basically got transferred to a new project that's React Native, and, I'm loving it. Like, React Native is super fun to work in. The skills transfer over pretty well. And so my question is, what do you all think about the future of mobile development in terms of these hybrid platforms, React Native, Flutter, Xamarin? You know, there's a bunch of them right now. I think Svelte has native implementation versus traditional Android or Bos development specifically aimed at new developers looking to get into mobile development? Would you say, you know, learn React Native, learn React, or learn Android, learn Bos in terms of employability, that kind of thing?

Scott Tolinski

I think, to me, personally, it depends on, like, what you're looking to build. Right? Because, React Native, it by no means is is React Native, like, lesser in terms of, like, the stuff you're able to make. But if you are a React or a Vue or a Svelte developer, there's absolutely no reason why you can't build, like, really good native apps. With those tools, let's say if you're gonna be you could probably build games just fine. But let's say you wanted to build, what's up, the flappy bird not flappy bird because flappy Vercel. The the Node where you pull the string and the bird flies and hits the or the pig fly Angry birds.

Scott Tolinski

Angry birds. Okay. Let's say you wanted to build Sanity birds. I I don't think I'd go with React in that that point. So for me, personally, as a as a web developer, somebody who has these skills, I would pick a I would use those skills to build the thing. Yeah. ATN, who created Missive. The Missive is backbone Coffee script? Coffee script and Cordova, and I use that app every single day, and I'm I'm I'm happy with it. So, like, if you if you have these skills, you can make stuff that JS is, like, super legit. You mentioned the Svelte one, by the way. The Svelte one uses JavaScript who actually sponsored our show at one point.

Scott Tolinski

And NativeScript is really interesting to me, but it works with, like, everything. And, it it's kind of, crazy that it does. But I I I say if unless you're looking to become an Bos dev, like, full time, I would just keep on with these tools. Or if if there's, like, a specific point that you're hitting that's like, Scott. I can't go forward.

Scott Tolinski

But React Native is capable of so much. I I'm sure there's somebody out there who has built

Wes Bos

a neat game with React Native and stuff. It it it is very, very capable. Yeah. I think it's worth your time digging into the the React Native or whatever the equivalent is for v Vue or whatever just because, like, they are really good. And if if you just look at, like, desktop apps, every desktop app that has come out in the last couple Yarn has all been built on on WebTech Discord, Deno.

Wes Bos

I'm just looking at my at my URL bar. Same. Notion. Yes. Discord. Yes.

Wes Bos

Hyper. Wes.

Wes Bos

Yeah. They're all electron based. So, like, it's not to say you couldn't do that on the on the phone, especially as these phones start getting faster and faster and beefier and that, like, hit that comes. And it's not I guess it's not even a hit with React Native. Right? Because it it does compile to native. It just run the JavaScript just runs in in a background thread. So yeah. So and, like, they did they literally did Angry Birds in HTML 5, like, 10 years ago. They they did it in the browser, so there's Oh. Not to say that that wouldn't run. Yeah.

Scott Tolinski

Bad example then.

Scott Tolinski

What, are you familiar with what's called Vercel React, Wes? No. So there is a, sort of like a native first approach to writing React Wes you write React Native using Expo, and then you get basically output to web. So the idea would be that you do get to write once deploy everywhere. You just do it sort of the backwards way. Like React Native Wes?

Wes Bos

Makes sense. Yeah. Because then you're not, like, trying to shoehorn web into mobile. You're just creating this Node layer. Right? But, like, I don't I've never used it. Maybe maybe that would work. It probably would. Expo is really sweet.

Guest 9

I I I dig it. Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. That's something I've run into with React Native is that some of the tools I love with web are not available. Cypress is a good example.

Guest 9

And so these, kinda cross platform things like React Native Wes that lets you run React Native in the browser, open up this whole new ecosystem of web tools. So I've been I've been very pleased with how these 2 parallel React ecosystems are kind of merging, or they have a lot of crossover.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. It's an interesting space. And and even in, like, a lot of other languages, like, like I said, I'm learning Rust, and there's, like, some neat stuff going on there and using whatever Wes tech in with Rust to deploy.

Scott Tolinski

Like, basically, they have a, somebody's working on, basically, Electron where it's like a drop in replacement for Electron, basically, with the exception of your your writing in in Rust rather than Node.

Scott Tolinski

And That's it does It feels exactly like, Electron. It just uses just an infinitely less of your your CPU. So there's a lot of interesting stuff going on there, and Wes tech is it's definitely one of those things that you you can bet on for any given amount of time, and it's gonna come through. I mean, what is it? Brad Brad released an app in the App Store that's a PWA. I I I we talked about being able to do that, but I haven't seen the implementation of it before. So that I mean, it's just sick what people are able to do. It's a recent thing, right, that Apple opened up the the App Store, the PWAs, I believe. I think only Google.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, I I don't know that Apple can.

Guest 9

Google does with what they're calling TWAs. I don't really understand the difference, but Cool. Oh, yeah. So you're saying we should, all learn Rust because WebAssembly JS gonna gonna replace JavaScript,

Scott Tolinski

you know, maybe next month or something. Maybe next any minute now. Any minute. Any minute.

Scott Tolinski

It's pretty sick.

Scott Tolinski

I when the more I learn about it, the more I find out about companies that are using it today Yeah. And, like, for the things that they're using it, I'm like, so it's actually being used in stuff for Mhmm. Really expensive things. And for the most most things that we need to do on day to day basis, who who cares? But you got something really expensive. Not a bad idea.

Guest 9

Yeah. Do you wanna run Unreal Engine 4 in your browser or something? Yes.

Scott Tolinski

Gotta gotta restart in that.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. Absolutely.

Scott Tolinski

Cool. Well, thank you so much, Gareth. Anything else you wanna,

Guest 9

shout out? Or or Yeah. Yeah. Got a got a sick pick, I've been enjoying recently. It's a browser extension. They have Chrome, Safari, Firefox, and Edge. It's called Yarn Reader. It's at dark reader .org, and it's kinda like a universal dark mode.

Guest 9

So for sites that don't have dark mode available, it, kind of forces them to have a dark Node. And I found it really great. A lot of sites I visit a lot do not have a dark mode, and so suddenly they do. It's really great for accessibility, all that kind of thing. So I'll drop a link in the Discord. But, yeah, if you're a dark mode aficionado like myself, I've found these to be. Yeah. Likewise. Cool. I like it, and I'm gonna use it. I'm already clicking the add extension button. Yeah. Cool. And I would, I would share my sleep plug. Not something of mine, but actually, the Vercel of tutorials Discord JS really cool. And if you're someone who's only in there to watch Syntax Live, stick around and hang out. We have a lot of fun.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. We do have a lot of fun. Yeah.

Guest 9

Especially during 2020 when we're all a little bit more isolated perhaps than we have been. It's been it's been great.

Scott Tolinski

Very true. Very, very true. Well, thank you so much for stopping by, and thank you for shamelessly plugging our Discord.

Guest 9

Yeah.

Guest 9

Thanks for having me on. It's a lot of fun. Thanks for joining. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. See you.

Wes Bos

Okay. One more. Let's do 1 more, and then we'll have bring everybody in. We'll open it up. That might be awful, but let's do it. Ew. It's okay.

Scott Tolinski

Alright. I'm getting some major lag.

Wes Bos

Yeah. You're lagging for me, too. Alright, Scott. I'm gonna let you pick somebody. There's a lot of people that want it. We should do this more often. Yeah, we should do this more often. Axel's getting it because he TypeScript fastest.

Scott Tolinski

And oh, Lewis, I accidentally gave the role to Lewis. Okay, so Axel and Louis can come on because I 2 for 2. Axel and Louis because I accidentally gave Louis the role to,

Wes Bos

Accidentally.

Wes Bos

Axel

Guest 15

and Lewis.

Scott Tolinski

Hello.

Scott Tolinski

Hey.

Wes Bos

Scott. How are you guys doing? Let's let's stop a second. Let's see that shirt you got on there. Yeah. Let's see that shirt. Labatt.

Wes Bos

Yeah. Lebac beer, Winnipeg Oh, beer.

Wes Bos

98.

Wes Bos

That is awesome. Where'd you get that?

Guest 11

I just thrifted it. I thrifted it. Yep.

Guest 11

Goodwill finds. Yeah. It's mostly for the color, but then this you know, the curling, it's like so it's like I think it's like a curling thing too. Yeah. It's definitely a curling stone. Yeah. I have a,

Wes Bos

really sick blue, like, jacket that says Labatt sailing on it that I found. And it's got the big sailboat, and it says like, Labatt is like a old school Canadian beer company, and it's it's so cool. Like, people ask me about it all the time when I'm out, so I love love that kind of stuff. Yeah. Do you have any curling stones at your house, Wes? No. No. My friend up at our cottage, they do, they fill bleach bottles with ice and then spray paint them, and then they have, like, curling on the lake,

Scott Tolinski

with that. So cool. I would do that. I would be very into that. Oh, yeah. That sounds amazing.

Guest 11

Yeah. Yeah. Curl I've never been curling before. I mean, so I kinda feel like one of those people who wears, like, a a Sanity shirt that, you know, doesn't listen. Like, you ask them what they the favorite album, my favorite Let's Apple album, and I was, like, I haven't listened to the the website. Everybody's wearing Thrasher t shirts right now. Yeah. And everyone's like, do you even skate?

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. I I have a shirt with a griffin on it, and I've never ridden the griffin.

Scott Tolinski

So it's yeah. I think we're all okay with,

Guest 11

supporting things that we like, like Griffins. Yeah. Cool. Are you are you from Winnipeg? No. I'm from, starting in Ontario, actually. Close to London, Ontario.

Scott Tolinski

So this Oh. Yeah. God knows all about starting out. Another Canadian. Yeah. Because I'm from Detroit area. So I've been to London and I've been to Windsor extensively.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. So that whole area. I think the furthest we ever got in that way was like Grand Grand Bend, and that's not very far either. But all that area of Canada that's right around Michigan, that's definitely my area of Canada that I'm

Guest 11

very familiar with. I mean, it's it's Node worth like, Sarnia is not worth stopping by, really. You know what I mean? Like, if you're ever traveling, especially when you're going to Grand Bend. If you're going to Grand Bend, just, like, around Sarnia.

Guest 11

Just go right to Grand Bend. Like, that's Yeah. Way better than it is here. But, it's gonna be. Cool. But you know what? Congratulations, guys, on 300 episodes. Thank you. I just wanna say congrats. You got amazing amazing, accomplishment.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. Well, thank you. I really appreciate it. We got Axel in the house too. Axel. Hi, Axel. Hi there. You doing?

Wes Bos

Hey. Awesome. Where Yarn you from? Mexico.

Wes Bos

Awesome. Oh, nice. It's probably much warmer than up here. It is, actually.

Guest 7

Yeah.

Wes Bos

Oh, cool. What kind of dev are you? I am mostly a front end dev.

Guest 7

I work with AngularJS right now for my project, but I like all things JavaScript.

Wes Bos

Beautiful.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. Sorry for, not talking about Angular very much on the show.

Guest 7

Yeah. No worries. I'm actually a little bit, into Vue these days as well, so I'm learning it on the side.

Guest 7

Yeah. You're gonna keep updated.

Scott Tolinski

That seems like a natural progression too. They they seem like they are are very compatible with each other.

Guest 7

Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're they're very similar. I just wanted to say, you know, buttering you up. You're a big top, like, inspiration for for me, personally, and, it's been great to follow you and see how you have progressed and created all these quality stuff.

Guest 7

I have a couple of courses from Wes, and it's it's been really, really great to learn from you. Thanks a lot for all you do. Oh, thank you.

Wes Bos

I appreciate that. That's really cool to hear. You got anything you wanna do, Stumped or or a or a sick pick or anything else?

Guest 7

I do kinda have a a shout out and also a shameless self plug.

Wes Bos

You can do it. That's why we're here.

Guest 7

Awesome.

Guest 7

Really cool. So the 1st shout out is, we're having a JSConf in Mexico. It's the JS.

Guest 7

Same the one you know, but, the Mexico edition. So that's gonna happen the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th November.

Guest 7

It's obviously gonna be remote.

Guest 7

So you can go to JS s conf dot MX. You can watch, the text there. People like Sanity Vieira is gonna be there as well as, Tracy Lee from the stat media and things like that. So there's a few, really interesting talks in there, so you can check it out.

Scott Tolinski

Sick.

Wes Bos

Sweet. Yeah. That's that's awesome. Jscomp.mx,

Scott Tolinski

you said. Right?

Guest 7

That's correct. Yep. Cool. Sick.

Guest 7

And I have, shameless health plug for the YouTube channel. I have I'm running. I'm creating this. The idea is to have different playlists for different, projects that we build.

Guest 7

And it's kind of like a little bit of enhanced style where you take just 1 topic at a time, short videos that should be real quick on it. And so we have something I think Scott will like, which is meteor plus view. Oh. Oh, cool. Yeah. I'm really into meteor as well. So Yeah. Yeah. There's 1 playlist for that, and Node for building desktop applications with NWJS and Vue as Wes, and things like that. So you can check that out at, youtube.com/axel.

Guest 7

Just, it's my name, but it's spelled differently.

Guest 7

It's a c k zed e l l.

Guest 7

Yeah.

Guest 7

That's that's the one.

Wes Bos

Nick, well, thanks for thanks for popping on. Thanks a lot for having me. We we should also say tickets to JSConf Mexico are only $10, so definitely hit that up. That sounds awesome.

Wes Bos

Wes, thanks again. Alright. Lewis, what do you got for us?

Guest 11

I actually have a Paula question for you guys. So Awesome.

Guest 11

But yeah. So it's not it's not technical.

Guest 11

It's more so. So you guys are always so busy. You Node? You guys are amazing devs. So, but you're also you know, you're learning new things. You are keeping up with your family. You guys have families. You know? You guys got other things you're probably working on outside that you don't share online.

Guest 11

Keep it out. You know, you got so many things going on. So I was just wondering, like, what your daily routine, is like, and how do you decide to prioritize,

Scott Tolinski

the projects that you guys think are worth working on? I can go first because my daily routine is a complete mess right Node, especially although it's it's been it's been getting a little bit better. Courtney and I, so Courtney, my wife works full time. She's a psychologist, and she has a full time schedule on her plate. I have a full time schedule on my plate. So, therefore, we are the agreement that we've come up to is that, neither of us get full time. I get the morning shift with the with the kids. So I get before lunch with the kids and she gets after lunch with the kids.

Scott Tolinski

And then we just sort of swap or or we do that every single day. So, for me, I have what? Like, from noon to 5 every single day to work and that really, really stinks, for me especially because I'm running a business. I have people working on Vercel up tutorials.

Scott Tolinski

We're doing syntax. So Mondays right away are are spent on the podcast. That means I have 4 days out of the week to, hustle and somehow record a new tutorial series every month in 4 days a week and 4 hours of those days. And so, for me, it's all about, like, being really, really, really hard about scheduling everything.

Scott Tolinski

And more importantly, like nowadays, it's about saying no to everything. I I well, I say that as somebody who just said yes to 3 different conference talks. One of which I just did for Meteor, and then I'm doing one for Apollo and then Node for GraphQL.

Scott Tolinski

I should be saying no to everything and I, for the most part, say no to everything.

Scott Tolinski

Everything because just about everything that's not my main objective kinda gets in the way right now. So for me, it's just been about really, really, really hard scheduling and then not not getting away from that schedule as much as possible.

Scott Tolinski

Like, today today is, like, kind of backwards because we're doing the live show. So Courtney JS gonna take the afternoon shift, but we're already you Node, what time is it? 1:30 here here in in Denver. So she's she's gonna get, like, a diminished time, so I I'll have to give her, like, weekend time or whatever. And it's just about shuffling things around as much as possible. But at the end of the day, I have to I have to do weekends, and I have to do nights, and I have to do whatever it takes. I take my computer to the gym. And when I'm in between sets, I am approving PRs. Like, that JS, I'm I'm approving PRs while getting PRs, in the gym.

Scott Tolinski

So and and while writing PR for Twitter and email. So I it's it's just about getting it all in when you can and scheduling as hard as possible for me. 8 hours of sleep at night, though, at least at the end of the call? Trying to. Yeah. Yeah. We I I I pretty much close the the computer at, like, 8 o'clock each night. That's not like a a given, but, like, Courtney and I will sit down, we'll watch TV, we'll watch whatever, just to wind down. And we've been trying to go to bed earlier too just because neither of us get get the time. The kids have been waking us up in the middle of the night, those kind of things. So, we're if if we're not getting 8 hours of sleep, it's it's because of, outside outside intervene outside intervention. I don't know. Yeah. It's Sources. Yeah. The best thing we can do. Yeah.

Wes Bos

For me, what does my daily routine look like? I generally work. I drop the kids off at school at, like, 8:20. I get back usually at my desk by about 9 o'clock. I'm I'm pretty strict about trying to do 9 to 5 every day, Monday through Friday, and then Scott no no evenings, no weekends. I'm gonna interrupt you here because I sent a mess a message yesterday that would have been at, like,

Scott Tolinski

503.

Scott Tolinski

And and it's just, like, complete silence. And then this morning, he's just like, yeah. I don't work after 5. It's like, you are so good about that. I would've got that message, man.

Wes Bos

I really applaud you for that. Have to. I I also don't have Slack on my phone either. So, like, if something happens, it's just That's smart. I don't see it. But, like, I'm also a little bit flexible with that as well. Usually, about 3 o'clock, my wife will say, hey. Keep an ear out for Kit. She's gotta go pick the kids up. So, sometimes he'll wake up and off to take half an hour to go, be with him, but that's okay. That's that's just what the working looks like right now. Like, Scott just shared what his looks like as well. My wife usually works on weekends. I take the kids on Saturday mornings, and then my wife just works at night and stuff just trying to fit it in where it's possible.

Wes Bos

It does seem like I have a lot going on, but, usually, I just focus on 2 to 3 or 4 projects at once, or that's for development. I usually have, like, a course that I'm working on, and then I I usually have, like, another course that I'm sort of thinking about. And if I'm, like, if I'm stalled with something like, for example, I'm recording my advanced React course right now. It's Friday afternoon. I gotta wait until Monday because there's a there's an update that's coming out with, Keystone that comes out on Monday, and we're gonna use that in the course. So I'm solving that, and then I could switch over to something else like the podcast or working on one of my new courses that are coming up. Just like personally, we have a we have a lot going on with our house right now. We are doing a bunch of rentals to our house, and that that involves painting and sanding and having trades in and, like, we're doing a lot of the work ourselves as well. And what I try to do both for work as well as for, house stuff JS to have big goals. Like, we've got 5 rooms in our our house that we're working on right Node. But you have to break it down into much smaller little things. Like, every night, I have maybe an hour and a half of time to work on the house that you can't just like, it's it's so overwhelming to look at some of these projects that take 30 hours. So you just gotta chip away Wes it's like, okay. Tonight, I'm gonna patch this thing. I'm gonna sand it. I'm gonna paint it.

Wes Bos

And having those small wins is and having those small wins is critical for me because I go, Like, I did something. Like, my wife knows that when I'm grumpy, it's because I I ended off by not getting something Deno. And I didn't have that win. And I feel like I wasted my whole day, especially, like, when I have a bug and I'm, like, deep into it, and then my wife texts me. She's like, hey. It's, like, 507, and you're not down yet. I'm like, this is killing me because I'm, like, so into it, but I can't. I have to break away from it. So Mhmm. Trying to make get those small wins is

Scott Tolinski

key for me. Yeah. Wes, I, it's funny. I think both of us, we have, like, a bit of a weird thing where, like, I think our schedules are very different in the middle of a course and at the end of a course than when we're not doing the course. Like, for me, my, like, my schedule is very much, like, on the month. Right? Like, the the 2nd 3rd week of the month warp you like, 2nd month is planning a course. So I'm just like writing a lot of code. The 3rd month is recording a course. So I'm just like, nonstop recording. And and then the the 4th is, like, editing and and getting it ready. Like, today, I have to export, like, 20 some videos when we're done with this. So, like, it's weird because my days look very different based on, what day of the the month it is specifically. But yeah.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. That's that's, maybe it's it's gonna feel like I feel like we're gonna feel like we have superpowers once everybody gets their time back. That'll be really sweet.

Wes Bos

Yeah. That's, like, one, like, good thing about having kids is that, like like, I used to complain about how busy I was when I had homework.

Wes Bos

And, like, that's not to throw shade on anyone who who doesn't have kids or isn't busy. Like, everyone obviously has their own challenges in their life, and I certainly felt very overwhelmed when all I had was homework. But I'm really looking forward to life gets harder and harder every every day.

Wes Bos

I'm very looking forward to that part where it gets a bit easier, and then all of a sudden, you have these skills that you've learned in hard life. The management. And you can apply that. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah.

Wes Bos

I am very ready for that right now. Yes. Very ready. Nice. Yeah. Well, thank you very much, guys. Yeah. Yeah. A 100%. Great answers as well. Great answers as well. Thank you. Yeah. Cool. Well, thanks so much for joining. Scott, do you wanna unleash? Do you want can you just add a whole bunch of people into the room, and we'll do a a send off? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Scott Tolinski

Oh, boy.

Guest 7

This is gonna finish.

Scott Tolinski

My gosh. I can't wait to see my computer crash.

Scott Tolinski

This is sincerely amazing. Oh my gosh. Because there's a limit here. I wonder if we can make the limit. Everyone, turn your cameras on. This is so cool.

Scott Tolinski

Wow. Oh, Britney, your daughter. What's up? This is relatively calm. Yeah. This is relatively calm,

Wes Bos

and there's a Woah. Woah. Somebody's in an office.

Wes Bos

Woah. Trevor Burke. Trevor. Hey.

Wes Bos

Office. Wow. I've never seen one of those.

Scott Tolinski

Hey.

Scott Tolinski

Thank you, everybody, for hopping on and celebrating our 3 hundredth episode. It's really, sincerely amazing.

Wes Bos

Yeah. So it's really cool. We we need to do some sort of, like We have to say peace. Always say peace. We

Scott Tolinski

always say peace. That's it. Yes. Amazing. What? There's 26 people. We how did we do that?

Wes Bos

We've broken.

Wes Bos

So we will end off by saying peace.

Wes Bos

Ready? 3, 2, 1.

Wes Bos

Peace.

Scott Tolinski

Awesome. Thanks, everybody. Thank you so much.

Scott Tolinski

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